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Re: Take Action-no bombs for Israel

Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2026 6:21 am
by mister_coffee
There is also the issue that we have thousands of people on the ground in Saudi, Iraq, and the Gulf States. Normally those folks are resupplied via ship into through the Persian Gulf. Which is closed at the moment.

We might be able to resupply those folks through Jeddah on the Red Sea, but that in itself is problematic as the port might well be vulnerable to missile attacks and we probably don't have adequate missile defense in position to deal with that risk.

This all probably explains why so many air transports are flying into the region from the States.

Re: Take Action-no bombs for Israel

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2026 7:20 pm
by mister_coffee
If you know anything about US Military history, that is mind-blowing. There is a whole system for getting food to ships underway and unless something has totally gone off the rails having food shortages on an aircraft carrier would be unheard of.

Hard to know what exactly happened until we know more. But this is a Very Bad Sign. The fact that it is coming out of nowhere is also Very Bad.

Re: Take Action-no bombs for Israel

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2026 3:02 pm
by PAL
Just wait till they don't get to submit absentee ballots and have them mailed to and from them.

Re: Take Action-no bombs for Israel

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2026 2:06 pm
by Rideback
Thankfully Trump and Natanyahu have met the Iranian demands to cease fire against Lebanon.
Meanwhile, US service members have been denied USPS delivery and the supply chain for food and basics has been cut off.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 609308007/

Re: Take Action-no bombs for Israel

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2026 9:33 am
by Rideback
In case you missed it. Pete Hegseth gave a speech quoting Pulp Fiction and claiming it was scripture

Scripture by Soundbite
White Rose
April 16, 2026
It didn’t begin with a sermon. It began with a performance.
At the center of American military power, Pete Hegseth stood under fluorescent lights and recited “Ezekiel 25:17” as if he were delivering something ancient, sacred, and binding. The problem is that what most people heard wasn’t really Ezekiel. It was Pulp Fiction.
That matters more than it seems.
The version etched into public memory, the one about the righteous man walking through the valley and punishing evil, was written for a fictional hitman. It was crafted to sound biblical while justifying violence. The real verse is stripped down, direct, and far less theatrical:
“And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious rebukes; and they shall know that I am the Lord, when I shall lay my vengeance upon them.”
That’s it.
No speech about the righteous. No poetic framing of good versus evil. No moral monologue to elevate the speaker. Just vengeance, declared plainly, without ornament.
The actual verse is raw judgment language aimed at ancient enemies. But what was delivered in that room was something newer. Scripture run through a screenwriter’s pen and then repurposed for 21st-century American military theater.
What Hegseth actually recited was something else entirely: an adapted military version called “CSAR 25:17.” It kept the cinematic flourish, the familiar rhythm about “the path” and “the tyranny of evil men,” then pivoted the voice toward a modern identity, ending not with God’s declaration, but with a call sign.
That shift is everything.
It takes a divine voice and replaces it with a human one. It takes judgment and reframes it as mission. It takes scripture and turns it into atmosphere.
And it works because it sounds right.
This is how power dresses itself when it wants to look righteous.
The same instinct sits behind “Deus Vult,” a Crusader battle cry that translates to “God wills it.” A phrase born in the context of holy war now sits on the arm of the man overseeing the world’s most powerful military. It did not emerge from humility. It emerged from conquest, from moments when violence was framed as obedience and bloodshed as divine purpose.
That symbolism is not subtle.
It tells you how the speaker understands the relationship between belief and force. Not as tension, not as something to wrestle with, but as alignment already achieved.
That assumption has a long history.
Men have always found ways to place God behind them like a banner, something that follows their decisions and sanctifies them after the fact. It is easier to claim divine backing than to live under divine demand. Easier to quote a line than to be shaped by it. Easier to perform faith than to submit to it.
The Gospel does not lend itself easily to performance.
It does not center strength or conquest. It does not promise victory through dominance. It speaks instead of restraint, mercy, and a kind of strength that refuses to prove itself through force. It asks for care of the vulnerable, not the elevation of the powerful. It asks for love of enemies, not their destruction. It asks for humility, which cannot survive inside a narrative of chosen dominance.
It asks to be lived under fluorescent lights and ordinary days, not performed beneath them.
That tension is the point.
When faith is reduced to symbols, slogans, and selective quotations, it becomes something else entirely. It becomes a language that can be bent to justify whatever the speaker already intends to do. It becomes a tool. It becomes a shield. It becomes a way to remove doubt from decisions that should be filled with it.
This is what people are pointing to when they talk about Christian nationalism, though the label is almost too generous. It is not Christianity as lived tradition. It is Christianity as aesthetic. It borrows authority while discarding accountability. It speaks loudly about God while growing increasingly silent about mercy.
That is why the details matter.
A misquoted verse is not a small mistake when it is delivered from a place of power. It reveals the method. It shows how easily scripture can be reshaped into something cinematic, something familiar, something that sounds like righteousness while quietly reinforcing authority.
And in this case, the answer is not hard to see.
What stood in that room was not a man struggling with belief. It was a man performing certainty. It was a man borrowing scripture to frame authority as destiny. It was a man turning faith into something that sounds like permission.
That is the danger.
Because once belief becomes a permission structure, it no longer restrains power. It accelerates it. It removes hesitation. It replaces reflection with conviction. It transforms decisions into inevitabilities.
Scripture becomes a prop. Faith becomes a posture. Power becomes the center.
And once that happens, the words are no longer there to guide.
They are there to justify."
#WhiteRose #ScriptureBySoundbite #ChristianNationalism #FaithAndPower #MisusedScripture #Ezekiel2517 #DeusVult #ReligiousManipulation #PowerAndBelief #PoliticalTheology #FaithNotForce #QuestionAuthority #TruthMatters

Re: Take Action-no bombs for Israel

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2026 4:49 pm
by PAL
Yes, the Zionists and settlers, Bibi and other factions are calling for the extermination of the Palestinian people. So right I don't believe in that. And I don't believe the Zionists should be exterminated, but they should let the people already in Israel live in their home in peace.
I am not sympathic to Bibi's regime, you got that right. No, if you agree with Bibi, that is quite Nazi like or fascist. My opinion.
There is no way I can tell you how to live or change your mind. Sure can't do that as you have your heels dug in and choose to be narrow minded. my I don't condone the extermination of the Palestinians. Bibi has said they want them gone, so they kill alot of them. Did you even read the interview with the Jewish journalist. Doesn't sound like it.
Agree, Mr. Coffee. Trump couldn't handle anything Obama did so he shredded it. He could have tried to make it even better. There was monitoring, I thought, of the nuclear stuff. Then Trump has made them hate us even more and for that we will pay. And then, with this diplomatic effort, which didn't have to happen, if the US didn't bomb them, all will look so good and Trump will have solved another problem he created.

Re: Take Action-no bombs for Israel

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2026 2:59 pm
by mister_coffee
Before this war started, Iran was a marginalized and weak regional power that was substantially contained. They posed zero direct threat to the Untied States. And there are a number of other countries that pose greater threats and we ought to have been focused on those countries.

Before this war started, it looked like the mullahs and their loathsome regime were on their way out, one way or the other. By starting this war we made their regime stronger and more bloodthirsty. And by starting this war we generated a situation where our enemy had effective control of 20 percent of the world's oil supply and substantial control of supply chains for helium, natural gas, fertilizer, and aluminum. We gave them that power by starting this stupid war.

Re: Take Action-no bombs for Israel

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2026 10:39 am
by Jingles
Appears PAL is pulling the typical Democrat strategy of calling those that disagree with them Nazi's even though they do not really those they are damning.
I will say you can call me a lot of names but you better listen close there are some things that I will not accept especially by people who have their heads up their arse so far they can see their own tonsils. Or by people that are sympathetic to people who openly call for the extermination of others because of their religious beliefs or way of life.(Jews and the western way of life)
Yes I am a die hard believer of live and let live but DON'T tell me how I have to live or try to force me into changing my way of life or beliefs just to be politically correct.
Seems to me that you feel it is wrong for the jews to defend themselves against those that want to exterminate them but OK for those that attack them.

Re: Take Action-no bombs for Israel

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2026 8:35 am
by PAL
So Jingles is a Zionist. And a Hitler devotee it would seem. The "settlers" and Bibi's regime are behaving as Nazi's.
This is a on long read but from a jewish journalist, who immersed himself over there and was attacked, by his own "people", so to speak, but not really his people because of the atrocities going on. Dare ya to read the whole transcript Jingles.
Make no mistake. In no way do I support what happened on Oct. 7th. It was terrible.
You say you would fight for your home if someone was trying to attack you. This is precisely what the Palestinians were/are trying to do. Prevent their houses that were already there, kept from being taken over or bulldozed by these zealots. If only the violence could be stopped on both sides. But Israel will never stop until every last Palestinian is dead.

https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/the ... c17h1VLJWn

Re: Take Action-no bombs for Israel

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2026 8:08 pm
by just-jim
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Jingles wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2026 7:41 pm
just-jim wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2026 7:37 pm .
Jingle’s response is typical of the uneducated…especially those who can’t/won’t/don’t see any color or nuance in the world in front of them.
They tend to see everything as black/white, ‘I win, you lose’, ‘hurray for me-screw you!’, ‘yer either for me or agin me’…and EVERYTHING in their view as JUST a binary choice; yes/no, black/white.

It’s why we have tiny-hands, FELON, diaper-donnie doing idiotic commentary on the Pope.

It why and how we ended up with elected ‘leaders’ like Hitler and the rest. The seemingly simple solutions of fascists and dictators like these…and many others…’Don’t worry, it will all be over in a few days’….’best economy ever’…and on and on….

HCR’s column - today - illustrates this pretty well/
https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.c ... il-13-2026?
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I would not say that is accurate but will say if someone, anyone is out to do harm to me or mine or try to destroy my way of life it's a simple matter of kill or be killed and I choose the first
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Re: Take Action-no bombs for Israel

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2026 8:06 pm
by mister_coffee
Jingles wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2026 7:41 pm ...
I would not say that is accurate but will say if someone, anyone is out to do harm to me or mine or try to destroy my way of life it's a simple matter of kill or be killed and I choose the first
There are some practical real-world problems with that approach to life. Let's just say that the history of countries that took that approach to foreign policy and diplomacy are not happy ones.

Also actual humans that behave that way are generally put in prison or shot by law enforcement. Again not a happy history.

Re: Take Action-no bombs for Israel

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2026 7:41 pm
by Jingles
just-jim wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2026 7:37 pm .
Jingle’s response is typical of the uneducated…especially those who can’t/won’t/don’t see any color or nuance in the world in front of them.
They tend to see everything as black/white, ‘I win, you lose’, ‘hurray for me-screw you!’, ‘yer either for me or agin me’…and EVERYTHING in their view as JUST a binary choice; yes/no, black/white.

It’s why we have tiny-hands, FELON, diaper-donnie doing idiotic commentary on the Pope.

It why and how we ended up with elected ‘leaders’ like Hitler and the rest. The seemingly simple solutions of fascists and dictators like these…and many others…’Don’t worry, it will all be over in a few days’….’best economy ever’…and on and on….

HCR’s column - today - illustrates this pretty well/
https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.c ... il-13-2026?
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I would not say that is accurate but will say if someone, anyone is out to do harm to me or mine or try to destroy my way of life it's a simple matter of kill or be killed and I choose the first

Re: Take Action-no bombs for Israel

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2026 7:37 pm
by just-jim
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Jingle’s response is typical of the uneducated…especially those who can’t/won’t/don’t see any color or nuance in the world in front of them.
They tend to see everything as black/white, ‘I win, you lose’, ‘hurray for me-screw you!’, ‘yer either for me or agin me’…and EVERYTHING in their view as JUST a binary choice; yes/no, black/white.

It’s why we have tiny-hands, FELON, diaper-donnie doing idiotic commentary on the Pope.

It why and how we ended up with elected ‘leaders’ like Hitler and the rest. The seemingly simple solutions of fascists and dictators like these…and many others…’Don’t worry, it will all be over in a few days’….’best economy ever’…and on and on….

HCR’s column - today - illustrates this pretty well/
https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.c ... il-13-2026?
.

Re: Take Action-no bombs for Israel

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2026 7:36 pm
by Jingles
PAL wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2026 2:29 pm One word Jingles-Gaza. Bombed to smithereens. Yes do change to a reality based news site or sites. The majority of people were civilians that have been killed.
Israel wants to expand and take Lebanon. Using Hezzbolah as an excuse. 1 million Lebanese displaced.
Yes the same people ( men , women and children)that were dancing in the streets chanting Death to America when the twin towers fell, the same people that believe there is only one religion and all non believers must be killed. Personally after the Lebanese bombed the barracks in Beruit this ( the leveling of lebanon is coming 40+ years late. Plus it appears some have forgotten how violent the PLO was

Re: Take Action-no bombs for Israel

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2026 2:29 pm
by PAL
One word Jingles-Gaza. Bombed to smithereens. Yes do change to a reality based news site or sites. The majority of people were civilians that have been killed.
Israel wants to expand and take Lebanon. Using Hezzbolah as an excuse. 1 million Lebanese displaced.

Re: Take Action-no bombs for Israel

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2026 1:34 pm
by Rideback
You really need to change channels to a reality based news site Jingles.

Re: Take Action-no bombs for Israel

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2026 11:29 am
by Jingles
Let's see if I have this right folks are saying we should not support and supply someone that is killing people/ governments that want to kill us?
Yea that makes about a a much sense as pouring gas on a fire expecting the gas to put out the fire.

Re: Take Action-no bombs for Israel

Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2026 11:35 am
by mister_coffee
Given Israel's recent history of actively taking sides in our internal politics I think cutting them off is a reasonable move.

Take Action-no bombs for Israel

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2026 9:16 am
by PAL