Rideback wrote: Wed Jan 21, 2026 7:27 am
A big reason why so many of the people kidnapped by ICE are not criminals and are US citizens is that ICE gives a bonus to agents that bring in people, whether they are then released for cause or not.
A great example of a perverse incentive.
There has been some chatter arguing that the really egregious abuses in Minneapolis are being done by a small minority of the officers present. I don't know how to evaluate whether that is true or what it would mean if it is true.
A big reason why so many of the people kidnapped by ICE are not criminals and are US citizens is that ICE gives a bonus to agents that bring in people, whether they are then released for cause or not.
According to Homeland Security's own numbers, over half of the people detained by ICE and CBP were either US Citizens or immigrants lawfully present with no cause for detention. So basically half of the people they grabbed (estimated at around 10,000 total) were people they had no legal jurisdiction over.
There is a term for detaining someone without lawful authority. And I'd point out that any immunity that might apply to those officers and the people who gave them orders went out the window when they did things they had zero legal authority to do.
About Ken. Ken is the victim of what you might call mind control and brainwashing. His brain has been reprogrammed. He feels comfortable and safe believing the things he does, and feels uncomfortable and unsafe when his beliefs are challenged. Which is why he lashes out and calls people names &c. When you argue or "debate" with Ken you are arguing with someone's programming. Because of all this I consider actually arguing and engaging with Ken to be a lot like beating a disabled child. So unless some of his disturbed rants need to be called out I generally ignore him and anything he spews. At the bottom of it, I find him a pitiable figure, like so many other MAGA cult members.
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Minnesota physicians speak out about ICE presence. Renee Good had a pulse 8 minutes after she was shot...
You'll need to forward to about 5 min in to video before they start to speak https://www.youtube.com/live/kNXKBoNjCzM
dorankj wrote: Tue Jan 20, 2026 12:59 pm
And for Jim, f*** off or bring your loudmouth to my face and give that a try JACKASS! I'LL SHOW EXACTLY HOW SUBMISSIVE I AM
Not worth the effort.
But….ohhhh…the little man does like to use Swear-y words! Makes him look tough.
You are an illiterate trump d*ck licker. And a willing fascist tool, to boot.
ICE fails at due diligence by the hour. Statement from the man who had ICE break into his house and kidnap him, despite his being a US citizen. The civil suit is going to be swift and expensive for ICE. https://scontent-sea5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=6975EFC7
Saying something in ALL CAPS doesn't make it true, it only demonstrates that you choose not to inform yourself so it is a mirror into your deliberate ignorance.
FAFO! DON'T IMPEDE OFFICERS PERFORMING THEIR LAWFUL DUTIES. It doesn't matter your 'opinion' about the president, whether you like or agree with the laws or whether in your 'ignorant' opinion the laws aren't being executed to your standards or views.
And for Jim, f*** off or bring your loudmouth to my face and give that a try JACKASS! I'LL SHOW EXACTLY HOW SUBMISSIVE I AM
"BREAKING: A U.S. Army veteran and Purple Heart recipient was violently shoved to the ground by ICE, arrested, and locked up for 8 HOURS without access to a lawyer — simply for standing on a sidewalk and watching an arrest.
William Vermie, a combat-wounded Iraq War veteran, says he was peacefully observing when ICE agents began forcing bystanders back.
“They were shoving people off the sidewalk,” Vermie said. “I didn’t move fast enough — and they shoved me.”
Seconds later, he was tackled.
“They grabbed my leg, I went down, and they all piled on me and cuffed me,” Vermie said.
Vermie was taken to the Whipple Federal Building — where he was detained for eight hours and denied his basic Miranda right to legal counsel.
“They gave me water and a Band-Aid,” Vermie said. “But I’d rather have a lawyer than a Band-Aid when I’m being detained.”
His attorney, John Chitwood, says ICE blocked him from seeing his own client — claiming Vermie hadn’t “requested him by name,” even though Vermie had no way to contact his family.
“I’ve represented people accused of horrific crimes,” Chitwood said. “I’ve never seen this level of deliberate stonewalling.”
And his warning was chilling:
“If this is how they treat a combat-wounded American hero, how are they treating everyone else?”
Exactly.
This is beyond shameful. It’s un-American.
ICE agents treating veterans like criminals while calling themselves “patriots” tells you everything you need to know.
This isn’t about law and order.
It isn’t about immigration.
It’s about power.
It’s about intimidation.
And it’s about abusing authority with zero accountability."
The use of body cameras is a peculiar policy within ICE, as you can see from their own website they claim they don't have the $ to be able to supply body cameras to all of their agents. https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-a ... ~:text=ICE)%20announced%20today%20updated%20guidance,use%20of%20body%20worn%20cameras.
Also, dummy they DO use body cameras. That's how we know that agent WAS struck by the psycho Renea Good! You lie repeatedly and regularly here and then pretend (especially when no one pushes back) that you now own the truth and then build on that lie to promote your next falsehood.
The government ensures our freedoms aren't violated by mob, fascistic and insurrection behavior. Additionally, the FACE act makes it criminal to do what that mob did. Prosecution better occur especially on the mor*n Lemonhead who probably incited and orchestrated that fiasco. I thought the pastor and many of the Christian worshippers there comported themselves well and demonstrated TRUE Christian behavior.
Why can ICE and DHS afford signing bonuses that now sit at $70k but cannot afford body cameras? Seems to me the simplest explanation is that they don't want a record of their actions that can be tied to individual officers.
No it is not. The first amendment doesn't apply to private actions against a church or congregants, only action by the government.
Also, there is no reason that non-violent protests are necessarily peaceful, orderly, or lawful. Sometimes to be effective they cannot be those things.
During the civil rights era, there were "kneel-ins" at segregated (whites only) churches. Those protests totally disrupted Sunday services and led to arrests. But I'd argue they were morally the right thing to do.
I think protesting ICE officers, whom as far as I can tell are engaging in unlawful and unconstitutional activities, outside of their on-duty time seems 100 percent appropriate. Especially when protesting ICE officers when they are on duty involves a risk of being shot and killed.
It's a attack ON the first amendment! Freedom to worship is also included in the first. It's ALSO an attack on law enforcement, these are disgusting people.
"A pastor at St. Paul's Cities Church, David Easterwood, is also the acting director for the local U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) field office, a connection that led to anti-ICE protests interrupting a recent church service, with activists challenging his dual role in ICE enforcement actions. The Department of Justice is investigating the disruption, citing potential violations of a law protecting religious worship, while the church's lead pastor criticized the protest as an attack on worship, reports New York Times. "
David Bonn 
